"So what do you think? Are you in or out?"
Dec 31, 2022 23:05:00 GMT
MildredPierce, LittleBrat, and 3 more like this
Post by Yastreb on Dec 31, 2022 23:05:00 GMT
2022 was winding down, but one scammer didn't let that stop him from risking the scorn of Captain Mal...
The scammer's name has been changed, and his emails are date-stamped; my comments are in bold.
29 December
Seasons greetings! Wishing you all the joy, peace, and love that this time of year brings.
My name is Richard Saxon.
We are seeking a professional with whom we can be involved in partnership overseas, who also has the ability to manage an investment portfolio in your country. I am representing a group of prospective investors from Turkey.
The proposed investment profile will be large in volume and scale and we are to start with $25M, but because of the restrictive employment regulations in Turkey, I cannot do this while under state employment, hence this proposal is to you. If you indicate interest, I can send you my ID and details of the investment proposal, so you can have a better knowledge of who you are dealing with.
I look forward to your response if this appeals to you.
Regards
Richard.
Seasons greetings! Wishing you all the joy, peace, and love that this time of year brings.
My name is Richard Saxon.
We are seeking a professional with whom we can be involved in partnership overseas, who also has the ability to manage an investment portfolio in your country. I am representing a group of prospective investors from Turkey.
The proposed investment profile will be large in volume and scale and we are to start with $25M, but because of the restrictive employment regulations in Turkey, I cannot do this while under state employment, hence this proposal is to you. If you indicate interest, I can send you my ID and details of the investment proposal, so you can have a better knowledge of who you are dealing with.
I look forward to your response if this appeals to you.
Regards
Richard.
Mal has some bad news for Richard.
Mr Saxon
I'm afraid that you contacted the wrong person. I'm not an investment expert; I'm a retired US Marine.
Regards
Malcolm Reynolds
I'm afraid that you contacted the wrong person. I'm not an investment expert; I'm a retired US Marine.
Regards
Malcolm Reynolds
The scammer makes a claim that I've never seen before (in red). I'll give points for inventiveness, at least. He also attached a driving licence that might be authentic.
29 December
Good morning to you Mr Malcolm Reynolds,
Thanks for the reply,
Thanks for the reply,
I found your email via the www.marines.mil email search.
I consult for a based investment companies. I am representing a few Investment partners, high net-worth individuals, as well as fellow investors who are interested in funding viable projects on loan basis or equity, after evaluation and risk assessment.
This is a proposal, So it doesn't matter if you are an investment expert. Trust, patient and understanding is what we both need to perfect this proposal deal
The proposed investment profile will be large in volume and scale and we are to start with $25M, but because of the restrictive employment regulations in Turkey, I cannot do this while under state employment, hence this proposal is to you.
Attached is a copy of my ID. I will furnish you with more details on my next message upon your respond and confirmation with interest to this mail.
I look forward to your response if this appeals to you.
Regards
Richard.
I consult for a based investment companies. I am representing a few Investment partners, high net-worth individuals, as well as fellow investors who are interested in funding viable projects on loan basis or equity, after evaluation and risk assessment.
This is a proposal, So it doesn't matter if you are an investment expert. Trust, patient and understanding is what we both need to perfect this proposal deal
The proposed investment profile will be large in volume and scale and we are to start with $25M, but because of the restrictive employment regulations in Turkey, I cannot do this while under state employment, hence this proposal is to you.
Attached is a copy of my ID. I will furnish you with more details on my next message upon your respond and confirmation with interest to this mail.
I look forward to your response if this appeals to you.
Regards
Richard.
Then there's a wall of text.
30 December
I am a U.S.A Citizen. The people I represent are still serving civil servants, and according to the civil service regulation here in Turkey, they are prohibited from being engaged in private business while under government employment, neither can they operate business accounts. This therefore explains the need for a foreigner to be engaged in partnership with them. Be rest assured that no aspect of your dealing with us shall expose you to a breach of the laws in your country.
The proposed investment profile is valued at the equivalent of US$225,000,000:00 This is a genuine deal, please do not see this proposed deal as one of those fake and unreal business proposals from unserious investors or internet bandits, I don't deal with fraudsters or unserious companies/investors.
However, prior to initiating the actual procedures, it is important that we sign a Memorandum Of Understanding (M. O. U.) between us, which will be a document that will regulate our relationship with each other, particularly after the funds have been transferred into your custody. The document will acknowledge you as our Funds Manager by virtue of your maintaining temporary custody of the funds on our behalf, for investment in your country. The provisions of the M.O.U. will indicate that it is for your service that 20% of the funds are coming to you as remuneration. By that arrangement, only 20% of the total funds shall be subject to local taxes in your country. But between us, the burden of payment of that tax shall be redistributed among us in proportion to the percentage pattern of sharing the funds. In any case, I hope this compensation of 20% of the principal funds is acceptable to you.
After the funds have been transferred to your custody, the investment areas we will be involved with shall also be based on mutual interest. Given the fact that you would be needed to guide us based on your better knowledge of the existing investment environment over there, we shall ultimately work out terms and schedule for engagement in particular areas of interest.
Considering the civil service restrictions as described above, it is important that I mention the need for privacy/confidentiality on the subject. Exposure at this time will be contrary to our interest. So I will encourage you to keep all aspects of this transaction to yourself, as you can never know that whom will betray you until they do.
I presume that further questions may arise as you read this mail, I will appreciate that we address them now. Otherwise, in my next email correspondence, I shall send you a draft copy of the M.O.U. for your perusal. If you feel comfortable with the terms, then we shall adopt them. The essence of this arrangement is that whatever we shall be adopting as binding terms of engagement between us shall be based on mutual consent. Reply by sending your valid international passport, current resident address and telephone number for the M.O.U. Note: If you know you are not interested in this transaction, please delete this message and keep the information confidential. This is because, I shall seek my pastures elsewhere until I hear from you, my warm regards go to you and your family.
Best Regard,
Richard.
The proposed investment profile is valued at the equivalent of US$225,000,000:00 This is a genuine deal, please do not see this proposed deal as one of those fake and unreal business proposals from unserious investors or internet bandits, I don't deal with fraudsters or unserious companies/investors.
However, prior to initiating the actual procedures, it is important that we sign a Memorandum Of Understanding (M. O. U.) between us, which will be a document that will regulate our relationship with each other, particularly after the funds have been transferred into your custody. The document will acknowledge you as our Funds Manager by virtue of your maintaining temporary custody of the funds on our behalf, for investment in your country. The provisions of the M.O.U. will indicate that it is for your service that 20% of the funds are coming to you as remuneration. By that arrangement, only 20% of the total funds shall be subject to local taxes in your country. But between us, the burden of payment of that tax shall be redistributed among us in proportion to the percentage pattern of sharing the funds. In any case, I hope this compensation of 20% of the principal funds is acceptable to you.
After the funds have been transferred to your custody, the investment areas we will be involved with shall also be based on mutual interest. Given the fact that you would be needed to guide us based on your better knowledge of the existing investment environment over there, we shall ultimately work out terms and schedule for engagement in particular areas of interest.
Considering the civil service restrictions as described above, it is important that I mention the need for privacy/confidentiality on the subject. Exposure at this time will be contrary to our interest. So I will encourage you to keep all aspects of this transaction to yourself, as you can never know that whom will betray you until they do.
I presume that further questions may arise as you read this mail, I will appreciate that we address them now. Otherwise, in my next email correspondence, I shall send you a draft copy of the M.O.U. for your perusal. If you feel comfortable with the terms, then we shall adopt them. The essence of this arrangement is that whatever we shall be adopting as binding terms of engagement between us shall be based on mutual consent. Reply by sending your valid international passport, current resident address and telephone number for the M.O.U. Note: If you know you are not interested in this transaction, please delete this message and keep the information confidential. This is because, I shall seek my pastures elsewhere until I hear from you, my warm regards go to you and your family.
Best Regard,
Richard.
Just before this began, I'd been more or less sent to hospital for treatment of infections in my leg and chest, and I wasn't liking the world much. So Mal wasn't being friendly or understanding.
Mr Saxon
Your wrote "Given the fact that you would be needed to guide us based on your better knowledge of the existing investment environment over there" - I did tell you that I'm not an investment expert; I'm a retired US Marine.
Malcolm Reynolds
Your wrote "Given the fact that you would be needed to guide us based on your better knowledge of the existing investment environment over there" - I did tell you that I'm not an investment expert; I'm a retired US Marine.
Malcolm Reynolds
Come New Year's Eve, and the emails began to fly back and forth at close to chat speed.
31 December
Good day Malcolm Reynolds,
Trust you are doing great? Yes, you did tell me you are not an investment expert and i am willing, open to furnish you with details, requirement, steps to proceed.
Did you carefully read my previous message?
Trust you are doing great? Yes, you did tell me you are not an investment expert and i am willing, open to furnish you with details, requirement, steps to proceed.
Did you carefully read my previous message?
Mr Saxon
Seriously, I'm wondering how you got this far in life.
You're willing to entrust over $25 million of investors' funds to me to handle as funds manager, even though I've made it clear that I have no experience in investment or funds management.
And before you ask me again in a patronizing fashion, yes, I've read your emails carefully.
Malcolm Reynolds
Seriously, I'm wondering how you got this far in life.
You're willing to entrust over $25 million of investors' funds to me to handle as funds manager, even though I've made it clear that I have no experience in investment or funds management.
And before you ask me again in a patronizing fashion, yes, I've read your emails carefully.
Malcolm Reynolds
Another wall of text, this one with a biography, some justification, a little bit of gender confusion (in red), and an odd assumption (in blue).
31 December
Hi Mr Malcolm Reynolds.
Thanks for your reply,
Trust is earn not willed, if you can't trust me. That will make me not to trust in you too.
I have been in meeting with my colleague, I presented you as an old friend. I think is good we get to know each other better as we move into a life friendship. below is little about me. About Myself: My parents left for the U.S when I was a little boy. We stayed long enough for me to get citizenship and passport, before my father got a job in Turkey and the whole family moved along, my mom is Mexican and my dad is a Turkish, I have worked at many private companies before I ventured into the civil service, I was embraced into the development commission because I understood and spoke English better than them.
I am a widow with 2 children, one 12-years and the other 15-years. I was born on the 15/04/1963.
I am not a wealthy individual due to the situation of life as my late wife's health took all our savings in trying to rescue her from cancer disease which took her life. So I have worked and worked all my life with little or nothing to show for it, hence I want to take advantage of this transaction before I retire next year. I have a lovely family whom I want to be able to afford a good life when I retire so I will never do anything to get me or you into any trouble. This is the little about myself but I can tell you more if you ask specific details.
The role required of you is not as difficult as you may be apprehensive of. It is something we can go over as partners and friends. But my plan is that after the funds have been transferred to your custody, I shall travel to meet with you, prior to starting any investments as I represent my colleagues.
About The Transaction:Just to give you a brief form of introduction, the funds involved are Twenty Five Million United States Dollars. The civil servants involved are all members of the committee in charge of awarding contracts in Turkey to foreign companies, and they determine the financial value of projects as well as the project components based on information presented to the government. So over time they actually did inflate and assign the real cost of a particular project. Usually, disbursements of project funds to foreign based interests are done in installment, except when certain provisions of the project require otherwise.So in this particular case, the declared cost of the project was US$ 380,000,000:00, while actual execution cost to the contractor was US$355,000,000:00. The original company that handled the project, has been paid off, to the tune of the exact cost of the job executed. So it is the excess, amounting to US$25,000,000:00 that we intend to appropriate as our own private business, using you as the foreign based beneficiary. The fund has been paid out to the foreign Bond Account wherefrom the contract sum meant for contractor is been paid through! The balance US$25,000,000:00 is there awaiting introduction of beneficiary for it to be paid to be released to.
Please take note that there is no categorical illegality here, as the project consultancy component of the contract was actually performed by my colleagues. Our constraint is just due to the fact that the authorities prefer to exploit civil servants and professionals, whereas if the same job was executed by a foreigner, they will pay significantly higher. Meanwhile, the politicians have their own way of personal enrichment that we cannot do anything about. Our collective and disciplined commitment to our own futures has therefore been the motivation for this deal, hence the need to present someone else (a foreigner) to receive the compensation on our behalf. That is the only way to beat the limiting regulation against us.
It is already officially stated that an overseas based company delivered consultancy service for the project, and if it is agreed between you and us that we can engage you for our purpose, you will be presented as haven played the consultancy role, for which the sum of US$25,000,000:00 is due to you. The responsibility for the preliminary paperwork and related matters will be ours, and it will take us between 24-38 hours to accomplish, before final disbursement of funds to you from the foreign bond account in United Kingdom.
Between my colleagues and I, we have agreed that at the completion of the exercise, your remuneration will be 20% of the total funds transferred. I hope this is acceptable to you, as I personally know this to be a generous offer.
The method of disbursement to you would definitely be through offshore accounts, which you will set up with a bank in the United Kingdom! This eliminates the fear that your bank or your country will be alerted for money-laundering or any form of impropriety as the fund moves from an account bearing your name to your receiving account in your country bearing your name.
However, prior to initiating the actual procedures, it is important that we sign a Memorandum Of Understanding (M. O. U.) between us, which will be a document that will regulate our relationship with each other, particularly after the funds have been transferred into your custody. The document will acknowledge you as our Funds Manager. My question is: have you an escrow account in the United Kingdom? if yes. details will be needed and no then you have to prepare to get one very urgent so we can get this transaction completed before the newyear!. More so, the MOU preparation is ongoing and your two account details will be needed that which you own in UK that will first receive the credit from the Bond and your beneficiary account in Germany all will be needed to complete the MOU. My question is, have you an Escrow Account in the UK to receive the credit from the Bond?
I believe this will give you a clear details about the person you are dealing with and if you find this ok, lets proceed by sending the details i requested on my previous message.
Regards,
Richard.
Thanks for your reply,
Trust is earn not willed, if you can't trust me. That will make me not to trust in you too.
I have been in meeting with my colleague, I presented you as an old friend. I think is good we get to know each other better as we move into a life friendship. below is little about me. About Myself: My parents left for the U.S when I was a little boy. We stayed long enough for me to get citizenship and passport, before my father got a job in Turkey and the whole family moved along, my mom is Mexican and my dad is a Turkish, I have worked at many private companies before I ventured into the civil service, I was embraced into the development commission because I understood and spoke English better than them.
I am a widow with 2 children, one 12-years and the other 15-years. I was born on the 15/04/1963.
I am not a wealthy individual due to the situation of life as my late wife's health took all our savings in trying to rescue her from cancer disease which took her life. So I have worked and worked all my life with little or nothing to show for it, hence I want to take advantage of this transaction before I retire next year. I have a lovely family whom I want to be able to afford a good life when I retire so I will never do anything to get me or you into any trouble. This is the little about myself but I can tell you more if you ask specific details.
The role required of you is not as difficult as you may be apprehensive of. It is something we can go over as partners and friends. But my plan is that after the funds have been transferred to your custody, I shall travel to meet with you, prior to starting any investments as I represent my colleagues.
About The Transaction:Just to give you a brief form of introduction, the funds involved are Twenty Five Million United States Dollars. The civil servants involved are all members of the committee in charge of awarding contracts in Turkey to foreign companies, and they determine the financial value of projects as well as the project components based on information presented to the government. So over time they actually did inflate and assign the real cost of a particular project. Usually, disbursements of project funds to foreign based interests are done in installment, except when certain provisions of the project require otherwise.So in this particular case, the declared cost of the project was US$ 380,000,000:00, while actual execution cost to the contractor was US$355,000,000:00. The original company that handled the project, has been paid off, to the tune of the exact cost of the job executed. So it is the excess, amounting to US$25,000,000:00 that we intend to appropriate as our own private business, using you as the foreign based beneficiary. The fund has been paid out to the foreign Bond Account wherefrom the contract sum meant for contractor is been paid through! The balance US$25,000,000:00 is there awaiting introduction of beneficiary for it to be paid to be released to.
Please take note that there is no categorical illegality here, as the project consultancy component of the contract was actually performed by my colleagues. Our constraint is just due to the fact that the authorities prefer to exploit civil servants and professionals, whereas if the same job was executed by a foreigner, they will pay significantly higher. Meanwhile, the politicians have their own way of personal enrichment that we cannot do anything about. Our collective and disciplined commitment to our own futures has therefore been the motivation for this deal, hence the need to present someone else (a foreigner) to receive the compensation on our behalf. That is the only way to beat the limiting regulation against us.
It is already officially stated that an overseas based company delivered consultancy service for the project, and if it is agreed between you and us that we can engage you for our purpose, you will be presented as haven played the consultancy role, for which the sum of US$25,000,000:00 is due to you. The responsibility for the preliminary paperwork and related matters will be ours, and it will take us between 24-38 hours to accomplish, before final disbursement of funds to you from the foreign bond account in United Kingdom.
Between my colleagues and I, we have agreed that at the completion of the exercise, your remuneration will be 20% of the total funds transferred. I hope this is acceptable to you, as I personally know this to be a generous offer.
The method of disbursement to you would definitely be through offshore accounts, which you will set up with a bank in the United Kingdom! This eliminates the fear that your bank or your country will be alerted for money-laundering or any form of impropriety as the fund moves from an account bearing your name to your receiving account in your country bearing your name.
However, prior to initiating the actual procedures, it is important that we sign a Memorandum Of Understanding (M. O. U.) between us, which will be a document that will regulate our relationship with each other, particularly after the funds have been transferred into your custody. The document will acknowledge you as our Funds Manager. My question is: have you an escrow account in the United Kingdom? if yes. details will be needed and no then you have to prepare to get one very urgent so we can get this transaction completed before the newyear!. More so, the MOU preparation is ongoing and your two account details will be needed that which you own in UK that will first receive the credit from the Bond and your beneficiary account in Germany all will be needed to complete the MOU. My question is, have you an Escrow Account in the UK to receive the credit from the Bond?
I believe this will give you a clear details about the person you are dealing with and if you find this ok, lets proceed by sending the details i requested on my previous message.
Regards,
Richard.
Mal returns the favour with some background and some points to consider.
Mr Saxon
You're talking about earning trust, and then you admit that you lied to your colleagues. But let's move on from that.
About myself; I was born in Charleston, South Carolina, on the Fourth of July, 1968, and raised there. My parents were also born in South Carolina. I joined the United States Marine Corps in 1988 and served eighteen years, rising to the rank of Captain, before mustering out on medical grounds in late 2006. In 2007 I chose to move to Australia and I've lived there ever since. I never married. I have one daughter aged 26.
I'm not a wealthy man, but I'm living fairly comfortably, all things considered.
Let's see; "This eliminates the fear that your bank or your country will be alerted for money-laundering" - you mean our country, don't you? We're both American citizens, right?
"My question is: have you an escrow account in the United Kingdom?" - Of course not. And you didn't have to ask me twice. The answer is the same.
Also this: "your beneficiary account in Germany" - what account in Germany? It wasn't mentioned before.
Malcolm Reynolds
You're talking about earning trust, and then you admit that you lied to your colleagues. But let's move on from that.
About myself; I was born in Charleston, South Carolina, on the Fourth of July, 1968, and raised there. My parents were also born in South Carolina. I joined the United States Marine Corps in 1988 and served eighteen years, rising to the rank of Captain, before mustering out on medical grounds in late 2006. In 2007 I chose to move to Australia and I've lived there ever since. I never married. I have one daughter aged 26.
I'm not a wealthy man, but I'm living fairly comfortably, all things considered.
Let's see; "This eliminates the fear that your bank or your country will be alerted for money-laundering" - you mean our country, don't you? We're both American citizens, right?
"My question is: have you an escrow account in the United Kingdom?" - Of course not. And you didn't have to ask me twice. The answer is the same.
Also this: "your beneficiary account in Germany" - what account in Germany? It wasn't mentioned before.
Malcolm Reynolds
31 December
Hi Mr Malcolm Reynolds.
Thanks for your reply and for the information about yourself,
I believe this transaction will surely bring us together someday soon.
I am glad you carefully read my message and you understood all the contents.
My answer to this. Also this: "your beneficiary account in Germany" - what account in Germany? It wasn't mentioned before.
You haven't shared with me your location so I assume you are in Germany. So you are currently in Australia?
The MOU preparation is ongoing and your two account details will be needed that which you own in the UK that will first receive the credit from the Bond and your beneficiary account in your current location all will be needed to complete the MOU. My question is, do you have an Escrow Account in the UK to receive the credit from the Bond?
Since you do not have an escrow account, Therefore you must open a new non-resident escrow account with another bank and that will cost you money and all this are included in the MOU as your expenses that you will have incurred and whatever you incurred will be deducted from the capital sum after completion of transaction.
So what do you think? Are you in or out?
Regards,
Richard.
Thanks for your reply and for the information about yourself,
I believe this transaction will surely bring us together someday soon.
I am glad you carefully read my message and you understood all the contents.
My answer to this. Also this: "your beneficiary account in Germany" - what account in Germany? It wasn't mentioned before.
You haven't shared with me your location so I assume you are in Germany. So you are currently in Australia?
The MOU preparation is ongoing and your two account details will be needed that which you own in the UK that will first receive the credit from the Bond and your beneficiary account in your current location all will be needed to complete the MOU. My question is, do you have an Escrow Account in the UK to receive the credit from the Bond?
Since you do not have an escrow account, Therefore you must open a new non-resident escrow account with another bank and that will cost you money and all this are included in the MOU as your expenses that you will have incurred and whatever you incurred will be deducted from the capital sum after completion of transaction.
So what do you think? Are you in or out?
Regards,
Richard.
Someone our scammer forgot is the rule of never asking a question unless you know what the answer will be. He must have assumed that he'd held out a big enough carrot.
Mr Saxon
You wrote, "You haven't shared with me your location so I assume you are in Germany". What did I say that made you assume I'm in Germany? That makes zero sense!
Am I in or out? Given that you're a liar who makes stupid assumptions, I am definitely out.
Malcolm Reynolds
You wrote, "You haven't shared with me your location so I assume you are in Germany". What did I say that made you assume I'm in Germany? That makes zero sense!
Am I in or out? Given that you're a liar who makes stupid assumptions, I am definitely out.
Malcolm Reynolds
That should have ended it. But you never know...
x 4 (Lagos to Abuja, Nigeria to Ghana, Nigeria to Benin, Ghana to Benin) 
