Big-Time Scammer Offers ME a JOB! {excerpt}
Feb 2, 2023 20:47:03 GMT
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Post by robmaclenn on Feb 2, 2023 20:47:03 GMT
This is a tiny part of a 7-month (!) correspondence with a very unusual scammer — unusual for several reasons, including
1) How long they wait before asking for money
2) Its sophistication. They have put far more effort into creating their facade than any other I've encountered.
It all begins with this email from David Patillo, Senior Consultant:
"Regarding Partnership Inquiry."
"David":
Good day. Trust this mail meets you well.
Wecon Limited (Construction & Engineering) is interested in your services and partnership on a temporary (contract) basis.
Do acknowledge this mail for a return mail that embodies the job description and compensation.
Thank you.
NOTE TO READERS: Wecon Limited is a real company based in China. "David" is claiming to be from a non-existent branch in Hong Kong, complete with elaborate website for the fake company.
Me:
Hey David,
I think you must have confused me with someone else.
I don't have any experience at all in Construction or in Engineering. I'm just a rural equine veterinarian.
If you know someone who is looking for a Holistic Veterinarian, an Animal Physical Therapist or an Ear Cropping expert, please feel free to pass along my contact information.
With today's world situation, unfortunately business has dropped off quite a bit over the past 2 years and it's becoming increasingly difficult to support my family and myself.
Scammer:
First, I want to commend your transparency, and I will like to inform you that there are other arrangements that would allow you work with us, we have different departments and we could definitely use your people management and accountability skill that could also be supervisory roles.
In line with this thought, I would like you to consider that we will like to onboard you as our payments management officer for your region.
Our company would be registered as a subsidiary to your own line of work. That way, its not a total deviation from what you do,
You will be saddled with enforcing payments and ensuring that all goes accordingly with other clients/businesses and partners that we have in your geographical area.
Me:
What you are talking about certainly sounds interesting, but frankly, in all honesty, to tell the truth I must candidly admit that my experience as a Holistic Veterinarian would not seem to qualify me for the type of job you are describing.
I mean, the job sounds good, depending upon what it pays. But I don't have any idea how to enforce payments from someone. While I have a lot of experience working with animals, especially equines, I wouldn't know how to enforce someone to pay money they owe.
One reason I've always worked with animals is my "people skills" — so I've been told many times over the years! — are not well developed. If a client, business or partner refused to pay however much they owe us, I would find that very upsetting as well as frustrating.
If you have a well-paying opening for an executive with my experience working with sick animals, I might be interested in further exploring this opportunity. I am not familiar with Wecon Limited (Construction & Engineering), but I assume you don't have a division that works solely with animals, do you?
By the way, it's a funny coincidence that you said, "You will be saddled with enforcing payments," because as I say all of my experience is in the Horse Health industry, and "saddles" certainly is something I know a lot about.
But I know you didn't mean the saddles that people sit upon when riding horses. Still, you have to admit it is a big coincidence.
Scammer:
Thank you for your honesty and show of willingness to engage in productive activity.
I’ll like to direct my mail on the aspect of you being saddled to enforce payments.
Kindly note that this activity, its peculiarities and so on will be taught to you by your direct supervisor that you’ll be working with.
He/she will train, assist, monitor and provide you with all manner of assistance For you to do your job. This means that, we only require your commitment for this role and you shall be able to learn new things relating to payments.
Kindly signify if you are interested in being onboarded with the payment and bills receivables team.
This Job is not the usual 9-5. You work when you decide to. You only get directives of tasks to be achieved for the day by your supervisor and there after you can decide when to get those tasks done.
Averagely, these tasks shouldn’t take you up to an hour to accomplish, so you can continue with your career as you work with us.
Me:
Boy, both of us are working on the weekend. I think we are working too hard. I had hoped to join a lady friend of my acquaintance for a relaxing picnic in Rosemary Woods, but I made the mistake of checking my email first and have been stuck in front of the computer all day now.
What is it I'll be doing when I do a task? (I know the answer is obvious to you, but most likely that's because you already know, while I don't yet.)
Because I am not perfect, it is only fair to apprise you of my personal limitations.
The first is that I am kind of afraid of heights. I doubt the new job requires me to not be afraid of heights, but as the French say, "It is better to confront your fears than to let them confront you."
The second personal limitation is my allergy to hamsters. That's the only animal in the world I am unable to work with in my HVM job; I refer all "hamster" inquiries to Marc Welby, who is fortunate not to be allergic to them.
Scammer:
(Excerpt)
Hi, Rob,
Training means and mode; your training will be done online, where portions of the companies manual and instruction will be given to you.
At these early stages, you will be reaching out to clients in your area in general to ensure that you serve as a pipeline where their needs are communicated to the operations department where their request will be resolved, hence I’ll say that you will be more or less the correspondence staff and payments advisor to customers.
Also, you’re job does not incorporate heights neither does it have to do with hamsters.
Me:
Page 5 mentions that both "parties" (by which they mean your company and me) have "access to legal representation of its choice and opportunity to determine the language used herein."
That's a really good idea and I appreciate the suggestion that I have an attorney look this over for me; an attorney would undoubtedly know much more about the law than I do and is more likely to identify a word or other verbiage that maybe should be clarified.
There are two people I could ask to review the contract-agreement-memorandum for me.
Although both are Americans, neither lives in the States at the moment. One is my cousin, attorney/barrister Ollie W. Holmes who has lived in Hull, England, for a long time now and is considered to be an expert in European contract law.
The other is, believe it or not, another relative of mine, my cousin Vinnie who is studying Law at Nirma University in Ahmedabad, India. At the moment he's just a law student and not a real lawyer/barrister. But because India is in Asia and Hong Kong is in Asia, I'm wondering if he might be aware of some intricacies of Asian contract law that not even my cousin Ollie is aware of.
If you don't mind my asking, which one do you recommend I contact, based upon their backgrounds?
Once I know which one you think I should use, I can email that PDF file to the one you think I should use and ask him to "run it through the grinder" for me and point out any language that might lead to confusion later if we don't correct it now.
I don't want to delay the start of my new employment any more than is necessary. So when I email my cousin Vinny right after I send this to you, I'll tell him to be brief and concise in his answer and not to include any of his highly verbose, word-filled stories about Jack & Diane or Father McKenzie (who's actually my uncle, but everybody calls him that), Auntie Grizelda, or Jessie's girl — I can't remember her name at the moment, but she's still a baby and Jessie won't shut up about her.
If you have a family, too, no doubt you, too, can relate to to some relatives who do nothing but talk, talk.
Speaking of talking, I should stop now and send that email to Vinny. I will report back to you as soon as I receive his reply — which I will make sure is VERY soon — and then we should be all ready to move forward.
I'm really looking forward to the challenges & rewards of the new job!
Thank you for all of your help and your patience in helping to make this dream come true. Ever since I was a young boy in school, my teachers often chastised me for being a daydreamer. That didn't insult me at all; even at that tender age I was happy to be a daydream believer because even then I knew if you didn't have a dream then there was no way it could come true.
Entire video is here: youtu.be/kKuoH0A1ThM
1) How long they wait before asking for money
2) Its sophistication. They have put far more effort into creating their facade than any other I've encountered.
It all begins with this email from David Patillo, Senior Consultant:
"Regarding Partnership Inquiry."
"David":
Good day. Trust this mail meets you well.
Wecon Limited (Construction & Engineering) is interested in your services and partnership on a temporary (contract) basis.
Do acknowledge this mail for a return mail that embodies the job description and compensation.
Thank you.
NOTE TO READERS: Wecon Limited is a real company based in China. "David" is claiming to be from a non-existent branch in Hong Kong, complete with elaborate website for the fake company.
Me:
Hey David,
I think you must have confused me with someone else.
I don't have any experience at all in Construction or in Engineering. I'm just a rural equine veterinarian.
If you know someone who is looking for a Holistic Veterinarian, an Animal Physical Therapist or an Ear Cropping expert, please feel free to pass along my contact information.
With today's world situation, unfortunately business has dropped off quite a bit over the past 2 years and it's becoming increasingly difficult to support my family and myself.
Scammer:
First, I want to commend your transparency, and I will like to inform you that there are other arrangements that would allow you work with us, we have different departments and we could definitely use your people management and accountability skill that could also be supervisory roles.
In line with this thought, I would like you to consider that we will like to onboard you as our payments management officer for your region.
Our company would be registered as a subsidiary to your own line of work. That way, its not a total deviation from what you do,
You will be saddled with enforcing payments and ensuring that all goes accordingly with other clients/businesses and partners that we have in your geographical area.
Me:
What you are talking about certainly sounds interesting, but frankly, in all honesty, to tell the truth I must candidly admit that my experience as a Holistic Veterinarian would not seem to qualify me for the type of job you are describing.
I mean, the job sounds good, depending upon what it pays. But I don't have any idea how to enforce payments from someone. While I have a lot of experience working with animals, especially equines, I wouldn't know how to enforce someone to pay money they owe.
One reason I've always worked with animals is my "people skills" — so I've been told many times over the years! — are not well developed. If a client, business or partner refused to pay however much they owe us, I would find that very upsetting as well as frustrating.
If you have a well-paying opening for an executive with my experience working with sick animals, I might be interested in further exploring this opportunity. I am not familiar with Wecon Limited (Construction & Engineering), but I assume you don't have a division that works solely with animals, do you?
By the way, it's a funny coincidence that you said, "You will be saddled with enforcing payments," because as I say all of my experience is in the Horse Health industry, and "saddles" certainly is something I know a lot about.
But I know you didn't mean the saddles that people sit upon when riding horses. Still, you have to admit it is a big coincidence.
Scammer:
Thank you for your honesty and show of willingness to engage in productive activity.
I’ll like to direct my mail on the aspect of you being saddled to enforce payments.
Kindly note that this activity, its peculiarities and so on will be taught to you by your direct supervisor that you’ll be working with.
He/she will train, assist, monitor and provide you with all manner of assistance For you to do your job. This means that, we only require your commitment for this role and you shall be able to learn new things relating to payments.
Kindly signify if you are interested in being onboarded with the payment and bills receivables team.
This Job is not the usual 9-5. You work when you decide to. You only get directives of tasks to be achieved for the day by your supervisor and there after you can decide when to get those tasks done.
Averagely, these tasks shouldn’t take you up to an hour to accomplish, so you can continue with your career as you work with us.
Me:
Boy, both of us are working on the weekend. I think we are working too hard. I had hoped to join a lady friend of my acquaintance for a relaxing picnic in Rosemary Woods, but I made the mistake of checking my email first and have been stuck in front of the computer all day now.
What is it I'll be doing when I do a task? (I know the answer is obvious to you, but most likely that's because you already know, while I don't yet.)
Because I am not perfect, it is only fair to apprise you of my personal limitations.
The first is that I am kind of afraid of heights. I doubt the new job requires me to not be afraid of heights, but as the French say, "It is better to confront your fears than to let them confront you."
The second personal limitation is my allergy to hamsters. That's the only animal in the world I am unable to work with in my HVM job; I refer all "hamster" inquiries to Marc Welby, who is fortunate not to be allergic to them.
Scammer:
(Excerpt)
Hi, Rob,
Training means and mode; your training will be done online, where portions of the companies manual and instruction will be given to you.
At these early stages, you will be reaching out to clients in your area in general to ensure that you serve as a pipeline where their needs are communicated to the operations department where their request will be resolved, hence I’ll say that you will be more or less the correspondence staff and payments advisor to customers.
Also, you’re job does not incorporate heights neither does it have to do with hamsters.
David sends me a 5-page employment contract....
Page 5 mentions that both "parties" (by which they mean your company and me) have "access to legal representation of its choice and opportunity to determine the language used herein."
That's a really good idea and I appreciate the suggestion that I have an attorney look this over for me; an attorney would undoubtedly know much more about the law than I do and is more likely to identify a word or other verbiage that maybe should be clarified.
There are two people I could ask to review the contract-agreement-memorandum for me.
Although both are Americans, neither lives in the States at the moment. One is my cousin, attorney/barrister Ollie W. Holmes who has lived in Hull, England, for a long time now and is considered to be an expert in European contract law.
The other is, believe it or not, another relative of mine, my cousin Vinnie who is studying Law at Nirma University in Ahmedabad, India. At the moment he's just a law student and not a real lawyer/barrister. But because India is in Asia and Hong Kong is in Asia, I'm wondering if he might be aware of some intricacies of Asian contract law that not even my cousin Ollie is aware of.
If you don't mind my asking, which one do you recommend I contact, based upon their backgrounds?
Once I know which one you think I should use, I can email that PDF file to the one you think I should use and ask him to "run it through the grinder" for me and point out any language that might lead to confusion later if we don't correct it now.
I don't want to delay the start of my new employment any more than is necessary. So when I email my cousin Vinny right after I send this to you, I'll tell him to be brief and concise in his answer and not to include any of his highly verbose, word-filled stories about Jack & Diane or Father McKenzie (who's actually my uncle, but everybody calls him that), Auntie Grizelda, or Jessie's girl — I can't remember her name at the moment, but she's still a baby and Jessie won't shut up about her.
If you have a family, too, no doubt you, too, can relate to to some relatives who do nothing but talk, talk.
Speaking of talking, I should stop now and send that email to Vinny. I will report back to you as soon as I receive his reply — which I will make sure is VERY soon — and then we should be all ready to move forward.
I'm really looking forward to the challenges & rewards of the new job!
Thank you for all of your help and your patience in helping to make this dream come true. Ever since I was a young boy in school, my teachers often chastised me for being a daydreamer. That didn't insult me at all; even at that tender age I was happy to be a daydream believer because even then I knew if you didn't have a dream then there was no way it could come true.
Entire video is here: youtu.be/kKuoH0A1ThM