Post by Yastreb on Jan 9, 2024 10:17:38 GMT
All baits come to an end eventually (though some may seem to last forever). Some end almost at once; some cruise on for a brief time before circumstances bring them to a close; and others keep on keeping on.
As to why baits come to an end... well, here's an example of a scammer who was faced with a basic question that he should have been able to answer, but for some reason wouldn't, despite a lot of prompting.
The scammer's emails are date-stamped; his name has been changed. My comments are in bold.
10 November 2023
Dear friend.
My name is Richard Moon from the United States, I am working with the International Red Cross association in Ukraine war with Russia. We are stationed at the border town between Poland and Ukraine and from there we operate into Ukraine cities to help the wounded people out of the war zone for medical attention.
Please friend I need your urgent response because I have a good and none risky business proposal for you which I will give you full details of it once you are able to respond to me immediately you read this message.
Kindly give me your direct number and whatsapp number for easy communication.
Looking forward hearing from you.
Richard Moon
Dear friend.
My name is Richard Moon from the United States, I am working with the International Red Cross association in Ukraine war with Russia. We are stationed at the border town between Poland and Ukraine and from there we operate into Ukraine cities to help the wounded people out of the war zone for medical attention.
Please friend I need your urgent response because I have a good and none risky business proposal for you which I will give you full details of it once you are able to respond to me immediately you read this message.
Kindly give me your direct number and whatsapp number for easy communication.
Looking forward hearing from you.
Richard Moon
"the International Red Cross association in Ukraine war with Russia"? Sounds like a bad TV co-production.
I decide against a standard reply this time.
Mr Moon
If you're doing relief operations, how could you have time for business? Or am I missing something? Explain, please.
Regards
Malcolm Reynolds
13 November
Dear friend.
Thank you for your responds and sorry for my late responds. I was busy with work in the field. I want you to know that this business is legal and risky free.
I am not going to be the one to deliver the goods to you rather we are going to use either bank to bank transfer or through a diplomatic delivery.
Kindly give me your WhatsApp number for easy communication and for full details of the said business proposal.
Thank you in anticipation.
Richard Moon.
Mr Moon
You didn't explain yourself at all. If you're so busy working in the field, how are you doing business? And you're talking about sending goods by diplomatic transfer on the one hand, and then using bank to bank transfer... I don't understand.
Regards
Malcolm Reynolds
This scammer loves WhatsApp. You'll be hearing more about that love, trust me.
14 November
and you failed to give me your WhatsApp number as requested for further explanation. That cannot be done here in the email rather by WhatsApp chat or call.
Richard
Mr Moon
I don't have WhatsApp. I don't trust apps invented and controlled by China, leaving aside the fact that I don't use a cell phone anyway. I'll give you my landline number if you're OK with that.
Regards
Malcolm Reynolds
WhatsApp actually isn’t a Chinese firm (Mal was thinking of WeChat most likely).
14 November
give me your landline number to call you. Besides WhatsApp does not belong to China and its very convenient and secure from end to end encrypted.
WhatsApp is very good for private conversation.
Richard Moon
Mr Moon
My number is +61 REDACTED. I'm in the +10:30 UTC time zone, so be careful when you call.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
I received your message. Please are you not on WhatsApp because it will cost me much to call you a direct call?
Sir. This business is not a joke it may be your concern to know that it also a 100% risky free business. I want you to give it a chance and see for yourself.
I would like you to open communication with the bank in the United States where the money is currently deposited in Escrow / Transit account.
I will give you just a seconds call only to confirm you then we will continue writing but I wish you would try and get a WhatsApp for easy and free communication.
Thank you.
Richard Moon.
So Moon called, and objected to the cost of the call. In the end, I had to make most of the other calls. There were network problems throughout, and Moon’s manner was appalling.
soundcloud.com/yastrebs-storm-wolf/sets/captain-mal-and-mister-moon
Mr Moon
You're a very infuriating person. Suggestion; DO NOT PATRONIZE ME.
Now I have a question; why do you need me? I don't see the reason for me to be involved.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
First I must thank you for your call. I chooses you as my partner because my heart accepted your name after I prayed over your name when I came across your email address.
I want you to know that this business will be a perfect one and a one touch funds transfer without any delay.
The total sum is 1.5 million dollars and is currently deposited in one of the prime credit unions in the United States. I want you to accept this offer of receiving the said funds as co-beneficiary.
I assure you that you will never regret dealing with me.
Waiting for your positive response in other to furnish you with the bank contacts details.
Richard Moon
16 November
Mr Moon
Spare me the religious palaver. It means nothing to me.
I asked you this question; why do you need me? I don't see the reason for me to be involved. Answer that question or forget this deal.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
I need you as a partner because I know you could handle this business with trust and understanding.
I want us to have mutual respect for each other and work in peace and understanding. Kindly confirm to me that you will work with me so that I can give you the bank contact details to enable you contact the bank.
Richard Moon.
Mr Moon
So you "want us to have mutual respect for each other and work in peace and understanding"? Fine. Then answer my fucking question.
Malcolm Reynolds
17 November
i have answered you many times. I trusted you and prayed over your name and my spirit accepted you. I have no other reason why I choose you.
If you want us to work together good and fine. This harsh harassment does not go down well with me.
Am ready to work with you if you want. The transaction is risky free and legitimate.
Richard
17 November
kindly work with me let's receive the 1.5 million and make use of it by first of all donating to the poor and the sick people then we share the remaining money to ourselves.
Get back to me please.
Richard
How many times do I have to ask the same question?
Mr Moon
You misunderstand. It's not about your prayers and your spirit and the rest of that malarkey. It's about why you needed to contact me in the first place. It's about why I'm needed at all.
Saying "I need you as a partner because I know you could handle this business with trust and understanding" doesn't answer my question. And if you don't get that, then I have to wonder how you manage to do business at all.
Malcolm Reynolds
19 November
i don't know any other reason to give you why I needed you to work with me. Is simple just as I stated. The question here is if you're interested?
If not then I will have to start searching for someone else, this business is genuine and risky free business that nobody will reject it.
I do not have any problem working with you nor anybody because I know I have a clean hand and my heart is clean.
Give this business a try and see.
Richard
Mr Moon
Now here's the puzzle. You see, we're both Americans, which means English is our native language. That should make for very easy and clear communication. Yet for some reason you can't grasp a simple concept; you can't answer a simple question.
Now you're asking me, "Are you interested?" My answer is "Yes, however... I can't accept your offer because you haven't told me why you need me to be involved."
So there's your problem, dude; and as I said before, if you don't get that, then I have to wonder how you manage to do business at all.
Malcolm Reynolds
20 November
Sir. Honestly I don't understand nor comprehend what you're expecting of me. I have told you many times that I work with Red Cross here in Ukraine that I have a business proposal for you.
I went further to tell you how I got your contacts and prayed over it. I went further again to tell you that I needed you because I could trust you to help me handle this business.
I don't know what else to say or maybe you could educate me here. Please time is Ru ming out. Let's move to the next stage of discussion and end this backward discussion.
I had made arrangements how to deliver the said box to you so get back to me.
Richard
I’ll try again, with examples.
Mr Moon
The problem is that you keep telling me I'm needed. I don't know why I'm needed. I ask you to explain that, and all you can tell me is (in effect) "I need you because you are needed" or "I need you because my spirit accepted you".
Let me try an analogy drawn from my USMC service.
Imagine if you will that I'm leading a patrol into a hazardous area. I review my force's skill sets and realize that I need an IED disposal specialist, so I ask HQ for a specific individual.
Of course I'm asked why I need that individual. So what do I say?
Here are my options.
1. I need that individual because I need that individual.
2. I need that individual because I trust him and I prayed over his name and my spirit accepted him.
3. I need that individual because my patrol is at risk from IEDs and related hazards, and he has the skills needed to cope with them.
Which answer do you choose, and why?
Malcolm Reynolds
20 November (sent twice)
I am very much tired here. I need you to work with me because of your experience in the field of business.
Richard
Where did he get that idea?
Mr Moon
I have no experience in the field of business. I'm a retired US Marine.
Malcolm Reynolds
21 November
ohh my God, alright Sir. Please accept my proposal let's move on. No need of this argument.
I’ll admit that both paragraphs borrow lines from classic moments in pop culture (Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Cool Hand Luke).
Mr Moon
We're not arguing. An argument is an intellectual process; a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. It's your fault. Again and again I tried to get you to explain things, and I didn't use any difficult words or phrases, but you couldn't understand.
Malcolm Reynolds
21 November
ohh my word..what do i need to understand here? I told you I have a business proposal and if you're interested then we handle it together but if you are not interested then I look for someone else.
You kept on asking me one question over and over again. This makes no sense to me. Are you interested or not ?
I won't be replying you anymore if you continue asking me this same question again. There is a business at hand and a profitable business as such so if you want then you tell me then we process it.
Robert.
Mr Moon
I keep asking that question because you refuse to answer it. I don't know why you refuse to answer it. And since you won't answer it, I guess we have no business.
Have a nice day.
Malcolm Reynolds
And for the want of an answer, the business died.
Thanks for reading.
14 November
give me your landline number to call you. Besides WhatsApp does not belong to China and its very convenient and secure from end to end encrypted.
WhatsApp is very good for private conversation.
Richard Moon
Mr Moon
My number is +61 REDACTED. I'm in the +10:30 UTC time zone, so be careful when you call.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
I received your message. Please are you not on WhatsApp because it will cost me much to call you a direct call?
Sir. This business is not a joke it may be your concern to know that it also a 100% risky free business. I want you to give it a chance and see for yourself.
I would like you to open communication with the bank in the United States where the money is currently deposited in Escrow / Transit account.
I will give you just a seconds call only to confirm you then we will continue writing but I wish you would try and get a WhatsApp for easy and free communication.
Thank you.
Richard Moon.
So Moon called, and objected to the cost of the call. In the end, I had to make most of the other calls. There were network problems throughout, and Moon’s manner was appalling.
soundcloud.com/yastrebs-storm-wolf/sets/captain-mal-and-mister-moon
Mr Moon
You're a very infuriating person. Suggestion; DO NOT PATRONIZE ME.
Now I have a question; why do you need me? I don't see the reason for me to be involved.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
First I must thank you for your call. I chooses you as my partner because my heart accepted your name after I prayed over your name when I came across your email address.
I want you to know that this business will be a perfect one and a one touch funds transfer without any delay.
The total sum is 1.5 million dollars and is currently deposited in one of the prime credit unions in the United States. I want you to accept this offer of receiving the said funds as co-beneficiary.
I assure you that you will never regret dealing with me.
Waiting for your positive response in other to furnish you with the bank contacts details.
Richard Moon
16 November
Mr Moon
Spare me the religious palaver. It means nothing to me.
I asked you this question; why do you need me? I don't see the reason for me to be involved. Answer that question or forget this deal.
Malcolm Reynolds
16 November
I need you as a partner because I know you could handle this business with trust and understanding.
I want us to have mutual respect for each other and work in peace and understanding. Kindly confirm to me that you will work with me so that I can give you the bank contact details to enable you contact the bank.
Richard Moon.
Mr Moon
So you "want us to have mutual respect for each other and work in peace and understanding"? Fine. Then answer my fucking question.
Malcolm Reynolds
17 November
i have answered you many times. I trusted you and prayed over your name and my spirit accepted you. I have no other reason why I choose you.
If you want us to work together good and fine. This harsh harassment does not go down well with me.
Am ready to work with you if you want. The transaction is risky free and legitimate.
Richard
17 November
kindly work with me let's receive the 1.5 million and make use of it by first of all donating to the poor and the sick people then we share the remaining money to ourselves.
Get back to me please.
Richard
How many times do I have to ask the same question?
Mr Moon
You misunderstand. It's not about your prayers and your spirit and the rest of that malarkey. It's about why you needed to contact me in the first place. It's about why I'm needed at all.
Saying "I need you as a partner because I know you could handle this business with trust and understanding" doesn't answer my question. And if you don't get that, then I have to wonder how you manage to do business at all.
Malcolm Reynolds
19 November
i don't know any other reason to give you why I needed you to work with me. Is simple just as I stated. The question here is if you're interested?
If not then I will have to start searching for someone else, this business is genuine and risky free business that nobody will reject it.
I do not have any problem working with you nor anybody because I know I have a clean hand and my heart is clean.
Give this business a try and see.
Richard
Mr Moon
Now here's the puzzle. You see, we're both Americans, which means English is our native language. That should make for very easy and clear communication. Yet for some reason you can't grasp a simple concept; you can't answer a simple question.
Now you're asking me, "Are you interested?" My answer is "Yes, however... I can't accept your offer because you haven't told me why you need me to be involved."
So there's your problem, dude; and as I said before, if you don't get that, then I have to wonder how you manage to do business at all.
Malcolm Reynolds
20 November
Sir. Honestly I don't understand nor comprehend what you're expecting of me. I have told you many times that I work with Red Cross here in Ukraine that I have a business proposal for you.
I went further to tell you how I got your contacts and prayed over it. I went further again to tell you that I needed you because I could trust you to help me handle this business.
I don't know what else to say or maybe you could educate me here. Please time is Ru ming out. Let's move to the next stage of discussion and end this backward discussion.
I had made arrangements how to deliver the said box to you so get back to me.
Richard
I’ll try again, with examples.
Mr Moon
The problem is that you keep telling me I'm needed. I don't know why I'm needed. I ask you to explain that, and all you can tell me is (in effect) "I need you because you are needed" or "I need you because my spirit accepted you".
Let me try an analogy drawn from my USMC service.
Imagine if you will that I'm leading a patrol into a hazardous area. I review my force's skill sets and realize that I need an IED disposal specialist, so I ask HQ for a specific individual.
Of course I'm asked why I need that individual. So what do I say?
Here are my options.
1. I need that individual because I need that individual.
2. I need that individual because I trust him and I prayed over his name and my spirit accepted him.
3. I need that individual because my patrol is at risk from IEDs and related hazards, and he has the skills needed to cope with them.
Which answer do you choose, and why?
Malcolm Reynolds
20 November (sent twice)
I am very much tired here. I need you to work with me because of your experience in the field of business.
Richard
Where did he get that idea?
Mr Moon
I have no experience in the field of business. I'm a retired US Marine.
Malcolm Reynolds
21 November
ohh my God, alright Sir. Please accept my proposal let's move on. No need of this argument.
I’ll admit that both paragraphs borrow lines from classic moments in pop culture (Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Cool Hand Luke).
Mr Moon
We're not arguing. An argument is an intellectual process; a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. It's your fault. Again and again I tried to get you to explain things, and I didn't use any difficult words or phrases, but you couldn't understand.
Malcolm Reynolds
21 November
ohh my word..what do i need to understand here? I told you I have a business proposal and if you're interested then we handle it together but if you are not interested then I look for someone else.
You kept on asking me one question over and over again. This makes no sense to me. Are you interested or not ?
I won't be replying you anymore if you continue asking me this same question again. There is a business at hand and a profitable business as such so if you want then you tell me then we process it.
Robert.
Mr Moon
I keep asking that question because you refuse to answer it. I don't know why you refuse to answer it. And since you won't answer it, I guess we have no business.
Have a nice day.
Malcolm Reynolds
And for the want of an answer, the business died.
Thanks for reading.
x 4 (Lagos to Abuja, Nigeria to Ghana, Nigeria to Benin, Ghana to Benin)