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Jan 6, 2021 12:01:16 GMT
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Post by Birlic on Jan 6, 2021 12:01:16 GMT
I have a character (Robert Zale) that I usually use only in short stories, related to MoneyGram payments and #LENNY & #LILLY.
My Robert is old and naive, he never understands anything but he is always eager to pay the money required.
Of course, this only happens if he is called on the phone, because "the old people are old-fashioned and love to talk on the phone."
Of course, this only happens if he is called on the phone, because "the old people are old-fashioned and love to talk on the phone."
Sometimes the scammer is so promising that I try to prolong the story by inventing new twisted threads related to "the holy church" and "the shipping company".
This is such a case!
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Stage #1 - MONEYGRAM & LENNY
The characters:
Me: Robert Zale
The scammer: lawyer Fred Owachuku / John Wiliams (from DHL)
As usual, I promptly responded to a message about bank funds, ATM cards and fabulous winnings.
Tell me more, I'm interested.
The scammer:
You will only have to pay for the delivery fee of $100 and will get your ATM card delivered to
Me:
I do not understand anything. What is the reason why I would do this?
Explain to me.
Explain to me.
The scammer:
Because all the delivery expenses have been paid by Bank except the delivery charge which you will only have to pay and it will you cost to pay of $100 and immediately after you send the delivery fee of $100 then you will get your package delivered to your address today without any further delay. I'm waiting for your reply asap please
Me:
I don't want to upset you, I will pay those money but I didn't understand almost anything in your message. My name is Robert Zale and I'm a World War Veteran. I am 92 years old and live in Liverpool UK with my brother Leonard (Lenny). He, at his 81, is much younger and takes care of me. I think I would love to talk to you on the phone, because things get much better when two people talk directly. Do you think it's possible to talk with me and explain all of this complicate things? Our house phone number is <<#LENNY>>.
The scammer sent me the payment details for a "mule" (reported, of course)... obviously, the old Robert still has ambiguities and asks to be called.
Are you sure that things really are that way? I would like to talk on the phone, because I do not trust anyone on the Internet.
Please call me now, because I could make the payment today if everything is okay after our conversation.
Please call me now, because I could make the payment today if everything is okay after our conversation.
The scammer is stubborn and tries to avoid calling:
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Everything will be successful done immediately after you send the delivery charge today OK
In cases like this, I "intentionally make a mistake" and increase the payment amount... from $100, I casually switched to a $1000 payment.
Of course, provided the idiot talks to Robert.
Do you understand that I need to talk to you before I pay those $1,000?
I will not send the money without being convinced that I am talking to a real person.
I will not send the money without being convinced that I am talking to a real person.
The idiot called and talked to Lenny ... for obvious reasons, Robert didn't understand anything and asked for some clarification... the scammer called again... and again.
Finally, Robert agreed to make the payment.
Do I have to wait for you to call me again, or do you want me to go straight to the Money Gram office and make that $1,000 payment?
Obviously , the scammer asked for the money.
We have talked what you have is to go and make the payment then we can move further to this delivery today because everything about your ATM Card is ready which will be completed delivered to you today
The old Robert paid $1,000 to MoneyGram and confirmed the payment:
Like any respectable scammer, my idiot asked for the transaction number and refused to call.
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Robert explained everything:
In the end, the idiot called #MoneyGram... even several times.
I made the payment as you specified in your previous message.
Sender's name: Robert Zale
Sender's address: REDACTED
Amount: 1,000.00 USD
Transfer type: MoneyGram Service
Receiver's name: Mr. Fred Owachuku
Receiver's address: REDACTED
I opted for the MoneyGram Transaction Security procedure, because the desk officer warned me that there are many electronic frauds in Africa. You need to call at the Money Gram Call Center and get your MTCN. The phone number of the Call Center is #MONEYGRAM. You must call them and provide all the payment details (the total amount, my name, your name and address etc.), and then you will receive your MTCN number. Please tell me what's the next steps and when to wait to receive my ATM card.
Sender's name: Robert Zale
Sender's address: REDACTED
Amount: 1,000.00 USD
Transfer type: MoneyGram Service
Receiver's name: Mr. Fred Owachuku
Receiver's address: REDACTED
I opted for the MoneyGram Transaction Security procedure, because the desk officer warned me that there are many electronic frauds in Africa. You need to call at the Money Gram Call Center and get your MTCN. The phone number of the Call Center is #MONEYGRAM. You must call them and provide all the payment details (the total amount, my name, your name and address etc.), and then you will receive your MTCN number. Please tell me what's the next steps and when to wait to receive my ATM card.
You have to send the payment slip to me then we will be able to move with this deliver today OK I'm waiting for the payment slip with the mtcn number
I'm waiting for you to send the reference number
You have to get the reference number and send it to me OK
Why would I have to call the money gram office before get the mtcn the full payment receipt should be attach here
Robert explained everything:
I asked at the counter if I could get that MTCN number directly there, and they said no. As a security measure, only the phonecalls from the country corresponding to the address are accepted. In this case, for the payment of those $1,000, will be accepted only the calls made by telephone prefix of the country where there lives the beneficiary. So, for to get that MTCN number, you need to call from there. That's the security precaution! I can only recover the money after 14 days (in case you do not withdraw it).
In the end, the idiot called #MoneyGram... even several times.
He was completely unhappy and insisted on telling me this.
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Our colleague STS confirmed the phone calls given by the idiot to Lenny and MG.
I have called them but still don't get the reference number from, so need to call them and get the mtcn
I called them twice and didn't get the reference number from them so you need to go and get the mtcn from them and send it OK.
I'm waiting for your reply asap
I'm waiting for your reply asap
I don't Really understand because it's not a real person
I'm waiting for your reply about the reference number
I'm waiting for your reply about the reference number
The calls wasn't picked by real person that's why
i called Money Gram Call Center yesterday, at 01:22pm
I called again at 01.43pm
I recall again this morning at 07:53am
I tried to get my MTCN for the amount of 1,000 dollars sent to me by Mr. Robert Zale
Receive by MULE
But they still don't release reference to me
You should have to go back to the money gram office and get the mtcn for me OK
I called again at 01.43pm
I recall again this morning at 07:53am
I tried to get my MTCN for the amount of 1,000 dollars sent to me by Mr. Robert Zale
Receive by MULE
But they still don't release reference to me
You should have to go back to the money gram office and get the mtcn for me OK
Our colleague STS confirmed the phone calls given by the idiot to Lenny and MG.
I tried to persuade the idiot to fill out the "security forms" that would have allowed my old Robert to recover the money from MoneyGram before the 14-day deadline. I was not successful. Then, the scammer asked me to buy some STEAM wallet gift cards to send to him.
Robert tried to explain that he had no other money and that he was in danger of being evicted from the house because he did not pay the rent.
The scammer was not impressed at all:
Robert was so outraged that he said he no longer wanted to work with the scammer.
The scammer insists:
Robert, very upset:
- This was the last message in the Stage #1.
- After only a few hours of pause, the idiot metamorphosed and returned to my old character... another story, same approach.
- In a very funny way, this time he tried his best to avoid any discussion about payment through WU or MG. I'm wondering why?
I understand that you said it will returns back to your account within 14 days but what I want you to do and your ATM Card will be delivered to you immediately is to try send another payment of $1,000 through western union office or you can use it to buy a steam wallet card gift cards then we will get your ATM card delivered to you within 24hours because it's so delay to wait till 14 days if you can try do it today we will get it all arrangement done immediately OK
Robert tried to explain that he had no other money and that he was in danger of being evicted from the house because he did not pay the rent.
Son, I trusted you and tried to do everything possible. I paid your commission with the money that we should have paid our house rent. Now, I have to be penalized by our Landlord and I have to wait 2 weeks to recover my money back only because you are too lazy to tell your secretary to print 4-5 forms? And because you are too lazy to complete and scan them back to me? Really? Such behavior annoys me enormously and makes me not want to do any business with you.
I'm not lazy because I followed their instructions for the begin and they don't want to release the reference number and if I fill out this they will still have to delay again but I don't have time for them so you can solve it out with them and I wish you could understand what are they up to
Robert was so outraged that he said he no longer wanted to work with the scammer.
REALLY??? ARE YOU SERIOUS??? JESUS, I'M SHOCKED!!!
Exactly what I was saying... I was perfectly right. You're lazy, arrogant and now you tell me you don't have time to deal with my problem.
I do not understand what kind of lawyer you are, if you do not want to help your client solve problems.
If you do not want to complete those few security documents and if you do not want to help me recover that money, then please do not write to me at all.
Exactly what I was saying... I was perfectly right. You're lazy, arrogant and now you tell me you don't have time to deal with my problem.
I do not understand what kind of lawyer you are, if you do not want to help your client solve problems.
If you do not want to complete those few security documents and if you do not want to help me recover that money, then please do not write to me at all.
The scammer insists:
I will help to get your fund delivered to you immediately after you send the payment
Robert, very upset:
Good bye and please do not write me back. I will not do any deal with you. I'm disappointed very hard. Your kindness is zero, and I do not need such lawyers in my life.
- This was the last message in the Stage #1.
- After only a few hours of pause, the idiot metamorphosed and returned to my old character... another story, same approach.
- In a very funny way, this time he tried his best to avoid any discussion about payment through WU or MG. I'm wondering why?
I will continue with Stage # 2.
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