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A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 17:16:27 GMT

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Post by dm60 on Dec 2, 2021 17:16:27 GMT

I wonder if I'll get a picture this evening or not.

If I give him a couple of hours to respond, and still nothing, do you think I should prod him? I could say that without any picture, given I've already bought tickets & accommodation, I'm going to leave the bulk of the cash behind and just go to enjoy myself.

I thought my hostel location was ideal because, if you look at the area on google streetview, it's many small graffiti adorned premises jam packed together. Somewhere it would be hard to find any address, even a legitimate one.

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A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 17:27:56 GMT

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Give him an ultimatum and say that without Paul's "picture" you will NOT go to Greece!... the plane tickets are "open", so you can reschedule the flight for another day. The money is yours, so you can force everything until you get what you want. The scammer must understand that you are "ready to pay", but you are "scared". So he either does the right thing or postpones receiving the money.

You don't have to let him dictate the terms of the meeting! Your money is a strong motivation for him, so in the end he will accept everything. You will definitely get a picture of Paul. I am also convinced that Paul will be very pleased to be waiting for you tomorrow, in the airport lobby, near the Hertz counter. LOL!

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Post by dm60 on Dec 2, 2021 19:27:10 GMT

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Mr.Jim,

You don't have to worry about anything you only have to honestly trust me without doubt because this transaction is 100% based on TRUST-As both sides me and You has several reason to fear each other -But when trust is absolute then, truth shall prevails.

-Flying to Greece with the 6,200.00 Euro is not a large amount .It is Only against the law if you travel with more than 10,000.00Euro. Mr. Paul is assigned by the Bank because he has a good connection and contact with the HSBC Bank, and it is his duty to handle the process with the HSBC Bank to make sure the fund is assimilated into the Bank and also transfer to your UK Bank account without any financial interruption. This is why the clearance fee will be given to him and everything will be handle face to face with you "seeing is believing"

Finally, it is against the policy of the agent to release their Passport or ID on Air, because this is in order to checkmate the recent complains of attacks on the agent travelling with consignment .Once you meet the agent in the hotel, he will show his passport for easy identification.

Please understand that there will be no expenses upon the fund arrival in UK because all adequate clearance have been made, as for the incidence of taxation-We have adequate arrangement and have mapped out a certain percentage from the total amount wired therein to be used to offset any tax incidence as may be requested by UK government.

I thank you once again for your commitment and time so far expanded in this deal and hope that our relationship will extend beyond this transaction now and after wards .

From the dept of my soul-I thank you immensely for your acceptance to work with me and I know e we will make good friends when this is over---

Zazah

Birlic Moderator NOTRE PIERRE Glory to the Holy Lamb! Posts: 4,116	A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 19:58:37 GMT lawrence852 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Birlic on Dec 2, 2021 19:58:37 GMT He's trying to impose his will on Jim. Of course you will refuse and you will be stubborn. This is not negotiable! Agent Paul must send his picture, or everything will be postponed.
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A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 20:03:10 GMT Birlic, lawrence852, and 1 more like this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 2, 2021 20:03:10 GMT

Make or break I guess.

Green -> Hobdi

Dear Mr Zazah

Obviously I haven't made myself clear. Let me do so now.

Unless I have a photo of your agent I will postpone my flight. I bought open tickets so I can use them at a later date. I'll travel to Greece at a more convenient time for a holiday instead. My hotel booking cannot be rescheduled which is unfortunate.

I am not prepared to do business with you if you refuse to take such a simple step in order to give me confidence. I have everything ready to go at my end, including obviously the cash, but I am putting myself in a risky situation. I am scared that something might go wrong. Knowing in advance who it is I will be meeting is just a simple way to reduce the possibility for error.

Regards
Jim

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A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 20:34:42 GMT

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He obviously wants to hide Paul's identity. Of course, Jim will play hard and refuse to travel if "there is no respect or trust". Tell him that you have decided to postpone the trip until you receive the picture of that "agent". Also, tell him you're leaving home at a bar to celebrate one of your friends. Of course, if you can't find the agent's picture in your Inbox tomorrow morning, then everything is postponed. Will be scammer's fault! Tell him this!

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A trip to Greece Dec 2, 2021 20:48:57 GMT Birlic, Linoline, and 1 more like this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 2, 2021 20:48:57 GMT

Green -> Hobdi

ok. I'm done playing games with you.

The deadline for postponing my flight is 5am tomorrow. If, when I check my mail in the morning there is no photo of your agent Mr Paul on my inbox shelf, you can look for someone else to assist you with
your proposed transaction.

Jim

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Post by dm60 on Dec 3, 2021 6:05:19 GMT

bingo

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Photo

Neither Google reverse image search or tineye get a match on that photo. It does have metadata. Amongst other fields:

CopyrightNotice: Photographer: Î”Î·Î¼Î·Ï„ÏÎ·Ï‚ ÎœÎ¹Ï‡Î±Î»Î·Ï‚ Î Î¿ÏÎ¿Ï…Ï„ÏƒÎ¹Î´Î·Ï‚ www.facebook.com/mikrosmhtsakos

who seems to be a photographer with a facebook page.

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 6:16:12 GMT

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Post by Birlic on Dec 3, 2021 6:16:12 GMT

Obviously, we want to see that picture too. (rolling)

It is time to show that you are very satisfied and to say that you will board the plane today. You will also say that you want dear agent Paul to wait for you at the airport and send you a picture of him from there. To go to Athens together. You have to be very insistent and determined (NO PICTURE = NO MEETING), because the scammer will surely try avoid spending money on taxi. Don't forget that the money is in your pocket and that you are the one who makes the rules. Fuck him!

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 6:43:30 GMT Birlic, stellabella, and 1 more like this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 3, 2021 6:43:30 GMT

Hobdi -> Green

Attn:Mr.Jim,

I am glad to inform you that Mr. Paul has arrived in Greece and he is on top of clearances with the Greece Authorities so that there will be No hitches upon your arrival.

Once you arrive in Athens, you buy a Phone card and call him so that he will notice your arrival in Athens for meeting. Here is his Telephone Number,+xxxxxxxxxxxx.

I wish you safe Journey.

Thank you

Zazah

Green -> Hobdi

Dear Zazah

Thank you for the photo of Mr Paul.

I think it would be best for him to meet me as soon as I arrive. Ask Mr Paul to meet me with a car at the airport. We can go straight to either my hotel room or his. I can give him the clearance fee and he
can instruct me on the procedure with HSBC. I'll meet him at counter of the Hertz car rental company (near exit gate # 3). Tell Paul to send me a selfie of him at the counter when he gets there. Then I'll
know everything is going well. If I don't get the selfie, I'll know something has gone wrong.

About the clearance fee, the bank gave me the cash in 100 euro notes, the same as the spending cash I'll have with me. I hope that's not inconvenient for you. Maybe I should have asked them for 500 euro notes but it's too late now.

Are you able to tell me at this stage what branch of HSBC I am to visit? I'll look it up on the google map.

Best Regards
Jim

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Mr. Jim,

Thanks for your email. Mr. Paul will be busy throughout today with the clearances with the Greece Authorities and even appointment with the HSBC Bank, so he cannot be able to meet you at the Airport but at the Hotel .The Airport is almost 1 hour drive to the Athens.

So, Once you arrives at the Airport, you first of all buy a Phone Card and call Mr. Paul on phone immediately so that he will meet you at his Hotel or your own Hotel. His telephone Number is +**********.

The clearance fee on 100 Euro notes are OK,Mr.Philip will direct and Take you the branch of HSBC Bank in Greece upon meeting, as he has the connection with them.

Please Update me as soon as you are about to board your flight.

Thank you

Zazah

Green -> Hobdi

Whats has gone wrong? I'm certain Mr Paul can spare a couple of hours for a transaction involving $14m. Offer to pay him to miss his scheduled meeting. If he doesn't accept, offer more until he does.
Everything has a price. Has something happened?

It really is time for you start cooperating Zazah. I've already had to give in to your demands and get myself a phone, I'll be checking my mail when I stopover at Istanbul.No selfie at the Hertz counter when I check there and I'll turn around and take the next plane home.

I have to go now or I'll miss my flight.

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 7:49:21 GMT dz likes this

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- Hmm, a fake picture... well, it's not good. I don't think that idiot is going today to the airport. So, Jim is coming back home today... full of disappointment and frustration.
- You have the perfect opportunity to offend your scammer and emphasize that the deal has been postponed because of a "lazy and idiotic agent who doesn't understand the importance of a serious business".
- Of course you will ask for explanations as to how the scammer chooses his collaborators, because it is obvious that the "agent" Paul is a lazy moron. Don't be afraid to use harsh expressions, because your character is expected to be nervous and frustrated. (rolling)

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 7:53:44 GMT lawrence852 likes this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 3, 2021 7:53:44 GMT

You think the picture is an itp?

Why would he do that? He knows jim won't hand over the money to the wrong person.

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Jim

Paul is an agent who was assigned for this delivering and Bank's action. He is never a part of our transaction. Please get yourself a Phone and call Mr. Paul upon your arrival in Greece for meeting in the Hotel. And also don't forget to drop your phone number for me as soon as you get to Greece.

Till you arrive in Athens
Zazah

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Post by Birlic on Dec 3, 2021 8:06:57 GMT

Surely that man (from the photo) isn't "agent" Paul. Believe me!

- He probably thinks that a european person has difficulty recognizing a black / asian correctly... because he probably thinks that European people believe all blacks / chinese look the same and look alike! He's wrong of course, but let's play along.
- So, if the imposter is the right age and dresses according to the picture, there's a 99% chance Jim won't notice that it is about another person.

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 9:44:28 GMT Linoline likes this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 3, 2021 9:44:28 GMT

Checking the Turkish Airlines status page, it seems the flight for the first hop of my journey really has been cancelled!

A security alert maybe? Could put me in a panic. Even more reason why I must know Mr Paul is waiting at the Hertz desk?

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Dec 3, 2021 9:44:28 GMT dm60 said:

A security alert maybe? Could put me in a panic. Even more reason why I must know Mr Paul is waiting at the Hertz desk?

#yesofcourse (rolling)

This is a good opportunity to write to the scammer and ask if the agent has agreed to wait for you at the airport. Because if he didn't accept, then you will give up flying today. You are already very panicked and stressed. Of course you will tell him that there is a delay due to some security reasons and you will send him a verification link (Turkish Airlines webpage). He will be delighted!

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 10:06:49 GMT Birlic, Linoline, and 1 more like this

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Green -> Hobdi

Hello Zazah

My flight has been cancelled! I'm still in the departure lounge. If you check the Turkish Airlines page for TK1982 you can see it's cancelled but it doesn't say when I will get a different flight instead. There is an internets screen of Turkish Airlines here in the departures. Look up

www.turkishairlines.com/en-gb/flights/flight-status

my flight number is TK1982 like it says on the tickets.

I don't know why. Maybe there is a security alert of some sort? Let me know you are still ok. You haven't been arrested or anything? You know I suspect that our transaction isn't 100% legal. Has Mr Paul agreed to meet me at the airport? If won't agree to do that, I'm going home. When he gets there, tell him I need a selfie of him at the Hertz desk so I can be certain.

This is all very stressful. I'm already taking taking medication for a heart condition.

Get back to me urgently!
Jim

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Green -> Hobdi

Zazah,

I've given up with your agent and returned home. On account of the flight being canceled, I had the option of postponing it, even though it was past the 5am cut-off. So that's what I did.

Why are you dealing with such an idiot as Mr Paul? If he can't even set up a straight forward business meeting, god help you if anything delicate is required. Idiot Paul has just wasted a couple of days of
my time, plus a hotel booking I never got to use. I never want to hear his name again.

If you genuinely want to follow through on the transaction you proposed, I might still be willing, as long as it doesn't involve Mr Incompetent. We could meet in the uk instead if that is a possibility for you.I know you had planned to come here anyway for a meetup.
I know you had planned to come here anyway for a meetup.

Jim

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A trip to Greece Dec 3, 2021 14:56:53 GMT SpongeBob likes this

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- Of course, Jim will eventually be persuaded to make another trip to Athens, but only if the "agent" agrees to wait for him at the airport. You can use the idea of "missing the PLF document" that prevented you from getting on the plane and you can let him wait there for a few hours.

- Then, at the next scheduled meeting, you will be able to claim that you found only air tickets for the route London - Kalamata (a city in southern Greece, 3 hours away from Athens). Of course you will want to meet the new agent there, in Kalamata. I have real pictures from that city and I can help you prove that you are really there.

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Post by dm60 on Dec 3, 2021 15:18:47 GMT

No word from him since 7 hours ago. I hope he'll contact Jim after having a little time to reflect on the missed opportunity.

>air tickets for the route London - Kalamata

By way of apology for the canceled flight, Turkish Airlines may offer replacement tickets to some other location.

>real pictures from that city

Jim has recently established a presence on the face book. He has a few friends and has joined several dating groups. Point being that I hear people use that book to post their holiday snaps.

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A trip to Greece Dec 4, 2021 8:17:05 GMT

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Hobdi sends Green what looks like the initial standard letter from some other scam he's running.

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Jim,

I read your email. I have made a good arrangement with **** Bank in Turkey which is affiliated Bank of **** Bank Greece to assist us to travel the fund to your UK Bank account.

According to him, since you can't fly to Greece and also volume of amount involved is too big, they are going to use their online Banking facility to assist you by way you are going to open an Online Non-residential account in your name with them, so that you will enhance a perfect transfer.

Once the Online account is opened in your name, the total sum $14M shall be credited into your new account from the Bank and they will hand over Transfer Information such as USERNAME AND PASSWORD for personal operation of Online Bank to Bank transfer from your **** Bank Account to your UK Bank anywhere in your country without interruptions or violation of any financial laws.

Requirements : An Account opening form will be given to you by the Bank to fill accurately with your personal information's and affix your photo size picture on the right-hand side of the form and return it with the account opening fee of sum of €5,950.00 to enable their Accounts department to process the Online account for you within 24
hours .

Your account opening /processing fee remains yours, hence it shall be credited also in your online account once it is open, as IT WILL SERVE AS ACCOUNT BALANCE which shall empower the Bank to credit your account with the total sum from **** Bank ,also give you access to transfer the funds online without any delay.

With the New Bank account with the **** Bank, the fund will be entering into your UK account bit by bit without any hitches and also help you to have an offshore account with ***** Bank because once the Online account is opened, the account information's such as user name, password ,Bank Passbook, Visa card will be provided to you which you will use to run the account day by day an account holder.

This mode of transfer is defined as one of the best and safest mode to remit huge Funds internationally as it is absolutely different from the usual swift transfer which takes longer time. Most Banks within the Republic of Malaysia, America, Europe and other developed countries operate with the "Online Account to Account Wire Transfer" for international transfers because it is a recent innovation in the Banking industry.

Let me read from you so that we can move

Thank you

Zazah

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A trip to Greece Dec 4, 2021 8:27:55 GMT

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Now he would like you to pay that amount online? Hmm, he is an unimaginative imbecile and lacks social intelligence, so he is a scammer who is probably not very successful. This substantial change in his scenario cannot be accepted by someone with a minimal financial culture. So, I suggest you accept his idea

... pay him by MoneyGram and let him talk on the phone with STS's robot. (rolling)

After that, you can suggest that it would be good for him to find a "diplomat" to meet directly with you, somewhere in the UK... preferably in a webcam location.

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Green -> Hobdi

Hello Zazah

Would Mr Paul still be part of this procedure or have you now dispensed with his services?

Jim

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Jim,

Paul is not part of this, I am in charge of the process. So you are required to pay the account opening so that the Bank will open a non-residential account in your name and deposit the fund into the new account and transfer the fund to your UK account.

Upon your request, I will give you directives on how to send the fee so we can move with the process

Zazah

Hobdi -> Green

You are fill the Account opening form to fill accurately with your personal information's and affix your photo size picture on the right-hand side of the form and return it with the account opening fee of sum of €5,950.00 to enable their Accounts department to process the Online account for you within 24
hours .

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A trip to Greece Dec 5, 2021 11:01:15 GMT

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Green -> Hobdi

Dear Zazah,

Seems like a cheaper option because the initial payment, although
greater, remains mine. Yes, please set up the account for me and let
me know the new account number. Then I'll pay on the line.

Regards
Jim

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Mr.Jim,

It is very cheaper because it will reduce you from the stress of travelling on Air and also make the fund to be entering into your UK Bank account via electronically.

I cannot be able to set up the Account for you without the Bank's requirements (the Filled form and the Payment of the Account opening fee) to enable their Accounts Department to open an online Non-residential account in your name ,to enable us to deposit the fund into the new account and the Bank will provide you with the account information's to access the fund online and make the transfer to your Uk account.

Without the Payment of the Account opening fee and the return of the filled form, the Bank will not open the Online account for you because the account is going to be an "Online Non-residential account" which will contains this Volume of amount or above and offer access to your money for your daily transactional needs and helps keep your cash secure. You can use a debit card or checks to make purchases or pay bills. It will also give you a wide coverage to access the fund Online from our Online service and make the transfer further to your nominated account or cross the Globe.

The account opening /processing fee remains yours, hence it shall be credited also in your online account once it is open, as IT WILL SERVE AS ACCOUNT BALANCE which shall empower the Online account in your name before the total amount will be credited into the account and also give you access to transfer funds online to your country without any delay.

Please Kindly return the filled form and send the required fee so that we can kick off the process.

Thank you

Zazah

I'm not going to start doing paperwork for him. All I'm prepared to do is supply the opening balance.

Green -> Hobdi

Dear Zazah,

I'm starting to suspect you of being just a little bit lazy.

I am not going do your work for you. This project is of your design, and thinking the matter over, I remain unconvinced that it's entirely legal.

I'm offering you the possibility of getting your hands on half of $14 million. My involvement gives you a way of taking funds out of your country. By enhancing your credibility, I also reduce risk of discovery.

Setting up an extra account is only necessary because you depended on idiot man to meet up with me. Had your choice of agent been more sensible, we would each have $7 M by now. Were I to fill out this additional account application, in the event of our plan being discovered, my level of culpability would be perceived as being even greater. I don't see why I should accept such extra risk.

You have agreed to split the fund 50/50 with me and I really do appreciate that. However, I'm not going to do all the work. You have my details. Just create the account in my name as required. Or, tell one of your office staff to complete the paperwork as if it were a routine matter. That way, on some future occasion, you could deny all knowledge, should the need arise. I will supply the opening balance to make it operational

Time for you to do a little bit of the work.

Jim

Last Edit: Dec 5, 2021 18:14:32 GMT by dm60

Birlic Moderator NOTRE PIERRE Glory to the Holy Lamb! Posts: 4,116	A trip to Greece Dec 6, 2021 9:51:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Birlic on Dec 6, 2021 9:51:54 GMT Or, you can say very simply: "Give me all the details that I need to pay through MoneyGram." He will be happy, I can assure you.
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A trip to Greece Dec 6, 2021 10:12:02 GMT lawrence852 and SpongeBob like this

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Post by dm60 on Dec 6, 2021 10:12:02 GMT

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Jim,

It is impossible for me to open an account for you because is against the policy of the Bank. You have to fill the form and sign the form dully because you are the account holder and signatory to the Account.

So, Kindly follow the Bank's instruction.

Thanks

Zazah

Green -> Hobdi

Zazah

Have you set up the account yet? Just give me all the details and I'll
pay through money gramme.

Jim

Dec 6, 2021 9:51:54 GMT Birlic said:

He will be happy, I can assure you.

Hobdi -> Green

Dear Jim,

I have submitted your information's to the Bank, they are waiting to receive the required fee .You are going to send the account opening fee through Bank transfer Not by Money gram.

So, I will give you the Bank details as soon as i receive it from the Bank.

Thank you

Zazah

Guess the bank has relaxed their policy in this case.

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